> i am not the doer < and " I am the Doer " + > a little chat which can be published < ;

Dear friends :

i want to put down a few things that have been occupying my mind in
the recent time ;

love is not thought ; it seems to me it is redundant to ask what
thought is ( something J. Krishnamurti so persistently does { ! } ) ; { on
second thoughts it is worthwhile asking Q: what is thought ? yes, i do think it is worthwhile ;}
however, let me take it we know what thought is ; our lives consist of two kinds of activities
--- thought in the head and life in the body ; the head is part of the
body ; so thought is part of life ; if we succumb to the unfortunately
common phenomenon of separating the one life into two parts --- the
life of the body and the life of the head , we become neurotic ; but
if we conceive of life as whole , there is a possibility of coming
upon a vast peace ; our lives are small as our intellect is limited
and we can only say > i am the one living this life < ; but if we are
fortunate we may come upon the perception ( not a mere verbal
assertion ) > i am not the doer < ; and from then on our life is lived
totally subservient to the higher self and eventually we may come upon
the realization " I am the Doer " and our lives' sojourn is finished ;

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Sincerely

( Krishna Rao PUTCHA )

Dear Santosh :

i am living a very precarious { dic_ precarious adj likely to trip or fall } life
psychologically ; i like to share
with you some conscious real thoughts that occurred to me this morning
for which i am very grateful ( to my own mother and Mother Kali of
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ) ;

IIT-Madras days --- i heard " yours is the way of the three " when i
was deeply disturbed in the context of meeting a girl of the first
year when i was in the third year ; now i think the way to think
sanely is to keep in mind that the three namely the thinker , the
thought and the < process of > thinking { which is only a verb in the
present continuous tense } < in its entirety > {{ which by the by is a
noun-phrase }} are one ; if i recall correctly Bhagavad Gita ( BG )
says , " the doer , the deed , and the doing | the actor , the action
, and the < process of > acting are one " ; it seems to me they
erroneously drop the words < process of > in translation and even the
great J.Krishnamurti talks of the thinker and thought and doesn't say
anything about the present continuous verb thinking in the context of their identity ;

... i am very grateful ... thank you ... { addressing God } ... please ...

Q: do we live in the space-time of Physics or essentially out-side of
such space-time ? ... please ... ; i think a materialistic position
implies we live in the space-time of Physics but it is an error ; the
Buddha tentatively takes the matter-is-real position but says | implies the truth can be
seen in Nirvana { dic_ nirvana n. a blowing out } each one for oneself and doesn't waste time with meta-physics ;

Sincerely

( Krishna Rao PUTCHA )

From :
Krishna R. PUTCHA

To :
Santhosh, Jacob, chomsky, Manoj, Reshmi, kls, drbhasi, mbhasi, sasikumar

Dear Santosh and others :

here is an extract from a letter to me from my friend Jacob Thomas ;
kindly put it in the invitingindia.com as response to > a little chat
which can be published < ;

...Krishna,

...Thinking, thought, and the thinker are so tightly coupled that they
are one and the same as you concluded.

...Thinking creates thought which creates the thinker.
...If thinking is absent, so is thought and the thinker.

...jacob

From :
Krishna R. PUTCHA

To : Jacob .........

Dear Jacob :

you wrote " If thinking is absent, so is thought and the thinker. " +
" Thinking , thought , and the thinker are so tightly coupled that
they are one and the same " ; whenever we think of life in its vast
entirety we have to bring to bear on our object and the subject a great
deal of love and understanding and avoid being head-strong ; so i will
try ;

in your thinking is evident a spiral which hides both its ends ; and ,
it is very uncomfortable to live life in that way ; if you ask me to
put my finger on the source of the problem , i would say it is the
servility to the domination of the intellect ... please avoid letting
your head govern the heart & instead let the heart govern the head
... it is wiser ; i learn this lesson from my mother and i am very
grateful to her ;

Sincerely

( Krishna Rao PUTCHA )

{ dic_ bring to bear , to concentrate on with a specific purpose }

Rem: a dubious quotation --- begin

" the doer , the deed , and the doing | the actor , the action
, and the < process of > acting are one " ; it seems to me they
erroneously drop the words < process of > in translation and even the
great J.Krishnamurti talks of the thinker and thought and doesn't say
anything about the present continuous verb thinking in the context of their identity ; i beg your pardon --- i am mistaken ; the correct position is as follows ;

---------------------------- .end

Dear Jacob Thomas Dr Prasad Vepa and Dr Santhosh Kumar:

some time ago we were puzzled about where BG ( Bhagavad Gita ) talks of action and inaction ;and, my hunch that BG says there is an identity between them; i found --- and i will report here --- the authentic source of these ideas in BG ;

from the Bhagavadgita India's Great Epic by Edwin Arnold :

p97 The Path of Knowledge 4 ( Jnana Yoga 4 ) --- ' What is act, And what inaction?' ... 'Needs must one rightly meditate those three --- Doing, --- not doing, --- and undoing. Here thorny and dark the path is! He who sees How action may be rest, rest action --- he is the wisest 'mid his kind; he has the truth!

;also, from The Bhagavadgita S Radhakrishnan

p163 IV The Way of Knowledge ( 18 ) He who in action sees inaction and action in inaction, he is the wise among men, he is a yogin and has accomplished all his work.

i now recall that i was troubled by my notion that BG says action, inaction, and ( process of ) acting are one ;and, most probably that was a blind man's idea --- there appears no such quotation from BG; my cousin Dr Vepa Prasad told me so --- now i feel convinced he was right;

best wishes to you ( Jacob Thomas and Prasad Vepa ) both and your children ...

Sincerely

( Krishna Rao PUTCHA )

PS: i take this opportunity to say i will correct as soon as i can my statement ( to the effect that > BG says action, inaction, and ( process of ) acting are one and the same < ) that i made in the website started by G Santhosh Kumar and i which can be accessed by typing invitingindia.com on the terminal ...

krp

a later-day PS: it is relevant in the present context to quote BG by Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan Chapter III p143 The Self is no doer ... he whose soul is bewildered by the self-sense thinks "I am the doer" ;;; this clarification in reference to BG is very relevant ;and, this is from III (27) of the BG;;; in this context i recall i was in the audience of Jiddu Krishnamurti once when he was saying, i remember, "see what you have done Sirs" referring to the prevailing misery in the world ;and, i recoiled silently recalling my own IIT Madras_days deep silent perception beyond habitual deliberate thinking, namely, of >.I am not the thinker.< + the relevant observation that i happen to be seeing it in the context of thought ;but, it is essentially the same with reference to any action ( thought is but action in fancy --- Edwin Arnold's BG ) i.e., >.I am not the doer.<;and, JK seemed to sense it somehow and said, "what Sir?" ;and, waited for me to respond ;but, i was in no position to cogently respond ;and, JK presently continued with his talk;;; the perception but not a mere verbal assertion of non-doer-ship is very important ;and, according to Ramakrishna Paramahamsa distinguishes a jeevanmukta whose only purpose henceforth in life is to serve others;;; so help me God !!! ... please ... let me live true to my own benediction i am so grateful to God for;;;

krp

my path unfortunately is so convoluted ... please Good Lord take me into your fold;;;

krp

i pray i keep i mind that >.i am not the doer.< ::: i complained to Dr Chandrakanth Tapsi of Sai Krishna Superspeciality Neuro Hospital Pvt Ltd that something is preventing me from meditating ;and, his prescription was T.Nexito 5mg ---Nexito is helping {.2021Feb27SAT.} --- i am glad;;;