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Re: {.connecting.} conscious me and JK's attribution of it to what is in truth Brahman;;;

A mind free of the ‘me’ | J. Krishnamurti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88ewKAjk7sg

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[] Krishnamurti says “”” … “content of consciousness is consciousness” <.your greed, your ambition … does everything has to be explained? … “””;;; Q: can you be conscious of your consciousness? i think yes;;; a Mahavakya has it that Consciousness is Brahman;;; Q: does consciousness always come mixed with the me? i think no;;; one can be conscious of consciousness + when that is so, consciousness is Brahman;;; Rem: the above quotation is from "Krishnamurti - New York ( 1971 ) - Talk 4 of 4 " Rem: try accessing through youtube;;; a Mahavakya has it that Consciousness is Brahman;;; Q: what is Brahman? Brahman is all there is;;; ... please ... ;;; Brahman is all there is without the slightest intrusion of the me;;;

google search "who is Maitreya Buddha";;;

See the following ...

What is the Meaning of Religion ? ।। J Krishnamurti ।। Religion World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb2Ron99Si0

... very fresh approach to religeous living;;;

also ...
|| The Atman || by Swami Sarvapriyananda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P14cRV-m6ZY&t=136s

also ...
The Ultimate Secret of OM | Swami Sarvapriyananda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iZ3GG5SYOo

... please Q: what is NOT thought? ... thought is verily Brahman Itself ... there is, i feel, nothing that is NOT thought ... on second thoughts, what is NOT thought at all is LOVE;;; in other words, Maya ;or, Mother Kali;;; IIT-Madras_days >.love is not thought.< ... blessed me!!! ... please ... ;;; there is nothing that Love is not !!! Love is everything ... but, please avoid being verbose ... ;;;it is very strange ;;; 'nothing' must be deeper than everything ... these thoughts make me feel Ramakrishna Paramhansa encompassed Buddhism as well {.!.};;;He understood Nirvana as Sri Krishna understood Nirvana ... recall ... Nirvana Sandhayaka ... ;;; i am not feeling like looking through BG --- Krishnamurti is wise;;; [] trace his parting words from his death bed please ;;; anti-indoctrinary philosophy ;;; (dic_ 'indoctrinary'?[] <.dic_ indoctrinate v tr teach (a person or group) systematically or for a along period to accept ideas uncritically.>;;;---;;; ... please ... ;;; atma ;;;

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... call it the light of pure awareness ... the Buddhists have a beautiful term ... clear light of the void ... it is available completely right here right now ... you are it ... the key to salvation is right in our hands right here right now ... here all the time ... awareness is continously available to us ... now Om ... a u m ... silence ... the
waker and the waker's world ... dreamer and the dreamer world ... deap sleeper and the deep sleep world ... and beyond that the silence === consciousness in which the silence is experienced === ;;; i will chant om three times listen and intently imagine your waking self your dreem experience deep sleep and in the silence your are the one awareness ... you are the consciousness in which the silence is experienced ::: you are the consciousness in which aaa is experienced the waking +++ you are the awareness in which uuu is experienced the dreaming +++ you are the consciousness in which deep sleep hmm is experienced ;and, in and of itself your name is silence ::: silence witness consciousness ;;; scientists are interested in consciousness now ;;; yogi says switch-off the movie in deep Samadhi Nirvikalpa Samadhi | asampadyat?[] samadhi ;;; not only the screen safe it makes the movie possible ::: not only are you safe (safe means immortal) but you make the experience possible ;;; 'I' is not the body 'I' is awareness ;;;
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please correct maitraiya to Maitreya the Bodhisattva;;;

Word Origin for Bodhisattva
Sanskrit, literally: one whose essence is enlightenment, from bodhi enlightenment + sattva essence.

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i remember in Buddhist parlance Bodhisattva is one who kept his own Enlightenment in abeyance to help others;;; please read Maitreya in Google | Wikipedia;;;

IIT-Madras-days_ (begin) jvsl was unable to come at once to the Common Room of Sarayu when i went there to see her ;and, a friend of jvsl was saying loud so i could hear her, "Subbu is bleeding" ::: <<< jvsl had considerate friends while my class-mates of the batch i passed out with later were unkind calling me KLPD-yes!!! >>> ::: --- ;eventually, jvsl came to the Common Room ;but, i stood up to say, "i am leaving" ::: jvsl sounded surprised and said, "but, you said you wanted to see me!" ::: i mumbled something and left ::: so sorry !!! that spelled the end of my romance (end);;; ... please ... ;;;

[] please meditate on Bodhisattva;;; please ... the Bodhisattva is the vast colored canvas !!! black is also one color ::: so is the black-dot on of the forms !!!

the talk is::: Jiddu Krishnamurti: In The Present Is The Whole Of Time;;;

this talks of consciousness too;;; ... image ... ;;; ... free of fear ... ;;; ... we will com back to fear ... what is beauty? ... what is beauty? ... ;;; ... etymologically in that word beauty there is love ... {.!.} ;;; what is the relationship between love and beauty? >.the essence of God is here-now.< Q: kadamma ? "{.she nodded.} ... ellavella untadu ..." ;;; given a toy, child is absorbed ... is that absorption beauty? the sight of beauty drives away the "me" ... at that moment the self is not ... then shall beautiful ... is there beauty? absorbed by something outside ... ;;; is that absorption beauty? ... when you look at a marvelous mountain ... the immensity of the mountain drive away the self the 'me' ... at that moment the self is not ... is there beauty? ... the beauty is when the self is not ... that requires great meditation ... tremendous sense of discipline ... the word discipline means {...} learning ... so {.Q:why?.} we must inquire together what is fear ... what is fear ... the reality the actuality of fear ... why have you accepted fear as the way of life ...organized killing called war ... is not fear related to violence ... <.> inquiring into the actuality of fear , the actual truthful fear not the idea. of fear <. ... .> what is fear? how does it come about? what is the relationship of fear to time ... fear of death ... {.<.>.i am too busy wi life ::: i have no fear of death.<.>.} ... is fear brought about by time? ... is time a central factor of fear? ... what is the root of fear? ... not the multiple forms of fear ... fear is fear ... out of fear you have invented God ... thinking ... is thinking a factor in fear? ... as one sees time brought fear ... psychological time ... i was violent i won't be violent ... {.Mahatma Gandhi sought to be non-violent ::: all that, after a year of moving closely wi Mahatma Gandhi, who Krishnamurti calls Mr Gandhi, Krishnamurti found to be just violence {.!.} ... surprising.}

aside-remark begin ::: i thought Time is best represented by a complex number, which does away wi familiar sequential order, as complex numbers don't exhibit order ::: aside-remark end;;; {{.Q; will i die before i understand this? i don't think so ::: i am not afraid of death;;; Rem: i remember my case, according to Dr G Prasad Rao, is Bipolar Mood Disorder ... and my friend, Chandi in IIT Madras said i am a schizophrenic ::: only, a good half and another also a good or a better half ::: may be i should humbly ask Dr G Prasad Rao if that is so;;; basically, doctor, i am afraid of the diagnosis of schizophrenia --- Q: am i violent?.}}

Re: follow-up of God vs Ego;;; Buddhism vs Advaita;;; Consciousness::: consider Krishnamurti and ,i remember, Khalil Gibran<.i couldn't find consciousness in Khalil Gibran.>;;;and, importantly the MahaVakya which goes "Consciousness is Brahman";;;

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In the Mahāparinirvāṇa Sūtra the Buddha also speaks of the "affirmative attributes" of nirvana, "the Eternal, Bliss, the Self and the Pure."[32] The Mahāyāna Mahāparinirvāṇa Sūtra explains:

The Self ’ signifies the Buddha; ’the Eternal’ signifies the Dharmakaya; ’Bliss’ signifies Nirvana, and ’the Pure’ signifies Dharma.[33] <<<.Rem: one is tempted to compare this with Advaita Vedanta's Sat-Chit-Ananda even though the comparison is not close.>>>

Rem: i encountered yellow-bliss briefly in IIT Madras in 69 in the context of meeting jvsl;;; Q: was that indeed the same as Nirvana?[];;; Q: not merely very close to Nirvana? ... sorrow ;;; ... perhaps not ... ;;;

see ".Decline of Buddhism in India.";;; i pray Buddhism revives itself in India;;;

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Decline_of_Buddhism_in_India.html

Scholars such as Adi Shankara re-energized Hinduism while borrowing Buddhist ideas,[47][46][48] also published influential reviews and original texts, established monastery networks, and explained the key differences between Hinduism and Buddhism. He stated the difference to be that Hinduism asserts "Atman (Soul, Self) exists", while Buddhism asserts that there is "no Soul, no Self".[49][50][51];;; Rem.begin but, the perspectives taken are very different;;; Buddhism reaches 0 ::: Hinduism reaches 1 ;;; Rem.end;;;

;;; Rem: blatant inaccuracy !!! see the IMPORTANT note above;;; Rem: consider the Buddhist notion of 'anatma' , i remember;;;

[] a valuable {{{.IIT Madras days_ >.time.< ... >.i will understand it later ::: for now let me move on.<.} {.asideRem: my meditation was in time ... so sorry !!!.}}} Krishnamurti-talk is the following ---
J Krishnamurti Talks : The beginning of meditation - This Light in Oneself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku6EWkHcyoE
​the observation "meditation is not something that you do ... " occurs soon after the black boarder to the video herein referred;;;
see invitingindia.com article ...
Re: meditation is not something we "do" ; subtle matter to think of ;
this talk emphasizes the recognition of the ​part played by the senses ;;; ... the ​senses​ ... ​;;;
​the talk talks of " ... senses ... ; ... control ... " and raise​s​ the question "what is time?";;;{{.Q: doesn't control imply time <.psychologically.> ? <.i think it does.> ;;;.}}
also, mentioned ::: "​we have physical chronological time ::: and, also psychological time";;;​
​"all that implies a movement of time" ... "movement means time" ::: "we are going to inquire into meditation"​ + "which is whether {.dic_ whether conj used to introduce an indirect question or a clause expressing doubt or choice.} the mind can be absolutely quiet" + "in which time as movement doesn't exist at all" ... please ... ;;; ... please ... please ... please ;;; ... please ... ;;; [] please meditate ; + "psychological time, can that come to an end?" + "brain : it is a very very ancient brain" + "and as it has evolved through time" + "evolution implies time - as it evolved in time " + "it functions in time" + " 'I will' implies time" ;;; "the very question whether it can end time - it is a paralyzing process" ;;; "<.ask.> whether the brain itself can be absolutely quiet" + "whether those very brain cells can be absolutely quiet" {.Rem: contrary to what i thought, Krishnamurti >.=== related aside::: the brain cannot reach the spiritual entrance ===.< doesn't speak loosely about "brain cells";;; >.namaskaram Krishnamurti.<;;; "so therefore we must understand the nature of <.psychological.> time" +"and, the brain is functioning, living in time" + "part of meditation is to find out for oneself whether time can stop" {.aside Q: does reaching Brahman imply ending time? ... i pray it does ... .} + "is it possible for the brain to realize that it has no future" +++ " ... faith ... " + "(.you.) suffer but have faith in God everything is alright" +++ "... faith in something involves time ... can you tolerate that there is no tomorrow psychologically? ... that is part of meditation to find out ... psychologically there is no tomorrow ... <.it.> doesn't mean if you have no hope that you discard hope ... which means that you understand the movement of time ... <.i can save this.> ... one has to go into this question not verbally , not theoretically , but actually ... find out if you have the slightest sense of tomorrow ... whether thought as time can stop ... thought is important in its right place ... but, it has no importance whatsoever psychologically ... thought is the reaction of memory, it is born from memory ... memory is experience ... experience as knowledge stored up in the brain cells themselves ... the brain cells hold this memory ... it is a material process ... thought has created the psychological structure as the me ... it is this me with its consciousness ... this consciousness is what it contains <.think ::: seems right.> ... the content of your consciousness is its content ... and, that is the result of time ... so consciousness is involved in time <.please, understand this limitation of consciousness, however pleasurable it might be THINK.Q: is yellow-bliss also consciousness? THINK.> ... when you say, can time end, it implies the total emptying of this consciousness with its content ... whether that consciousness which is a result of time (.=whether that consciousness=.) can empty itself completely ... therefore time psychologically ends ... you can ask the Qn: is it possible? ... {{.Rem: i feel there is something missing in Krishnamurti's perspective on consciousness ...>>>...

Q: is there consciousness without the me, please? is that not in the essence, red-bliss and yellow-bliss, please? {.Rem: i am sorry i have to quote from my own experience, with all its dangers ... sorry!!!.} Q: is there NOT consciousness without the me, please? , ​Krishnamurti, ​please?​ ... consciousness which is the result of time.}} ...​ psychological as well as physiological ...

"consciousness (.JK's version.) is involved in time" JK + "it is this me with its consciousness" JK ... sorry to say >.STUPID.< ... THIS IS definitely at VARIANCE with the Mahavakya which goes "Consciousness is Brahman";;; relevant-aside-begin Q: does consciousness always come mixed with the me? i feel not necessarily;;; i feel consciousness wo the me is bliss;;; relevant-aside-end;;; ... ; ... ; ... ;

an OBSERVATION::: Krishnamurti separates life into functional and psychological parts ::: it appears to me that to Krishnamurti consciousness comes mixed with the me because of this separation ... THINK-please [] ... ;;;

IMPORTANT OBSERVATION;;; ​<.relevant aside: not what i say ;but, what is the truth is important.> ;;; please learn to subtract yourself in your world view ... please;;; your knowledge is not conditioned on yourself;;; the true knowledge stands apart from your self!!! Sir ... please;;; >.i disrespect you ::: but, with an important purpose,Sir.< Rem: i can't ask him (.Jiddu Krishnamurti.) now ::: he is no more!!! ... they said in Theosophical Lodge records Krishnamurti is accomplished (.as forecast.) in some way not recognizable in any traditional mold!!!
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Sir, you are speaking of consciousness from the standpoint of view of a limited purview {.dic_ purview n the scope or range of a document, scheme, etc.,.} ::: but a MahaVakya has it that "consciousness is Brahman" ::: <.pragjnanam brahman.> ;;;

... please respond without arrogance, i beseech {.dic_ beseech v tr entreat = ask (.a person.) earnestly = , =.ask earnestly for (.a thing.).= ask earnestly for.} you;;; i wonder what Krishnamurti would have said;;; dic_ purview n the scope or range of a document, scheme, etc., dic_ mahavakyas (.great spiritual dictums.); dic_ dictum n a formal utterance or pronouncement;;;

Rem: i can't ask him (.Jiddu Krishnamurti.) now ::: he is no more!!! ... they said in Theosophical Lodge records Krishnamurti is accomplished (.as forecast.) in some way not recognizable in any traditional mold!!!
<​.Q: how to be rid of cursor-blob? here also now.>;;; you, are speaking of consciousness from the standpoint of view of a limited purview (.of the me.) ::: but a MahaVakya has it that "consciousness is Brahman" ::: <.pragjnanam brahman.> ;;; ... please respond without arrogance ... ;;; i wonder what Krishnamurti would have said;;; dic_ purview n the scope or range of a document, scheme, etc., dic_ mahavakyas (.great spiritual dictums.) dictum a formal utterance pronouncement;;;

Q: consider the distinction between these, the >.consciousness.< ;and, the ".consciousness of the me." ?

;but, Krishnamurti proceeds thus: ".it is possible to see the whole nature and structure and the movement of consciousness with all its contents." + ".the content makes up the consciousness." + ".and to see it entirely is possible." + ".when you see the entirety of it, it disintegrates." + ".as the content is part of the daily life of our consciousness." + ".and that consciousness is the accumulation through time." + ".whether that time can stop." + ".which means is there an ending of all the struggles." ... ".we are occupied with measure." + ".measure which is comparison." ... ".knowledge is movement in measure." + ".it is all measurement." + ".and that measurement has moved into the psychological field." <.can you end comparison.> + <.which is also ending of time.> + <.we are always comparing psychologically.> + <.now, can you end comparison.> <.which is also ending of time.> {.Rem: to be free of 'time'.} <.measure means measuring myself with somebody.> + <.the positive and negative process is part through comparison of measurement (.Q:part?[]; .) ::: is it possible to live a daily life without any kind of comparison? psychologically, inwardly to be free of comparison completely , which means to be free of measurement + the measurement is the movement of thought.< + >.can thought come to an end?.< {.aside.Rem: i believed, and felt certain, that all thought is in Brahman alone ::: Q: how does that perception relate to what Krishnamurti is saying here?.} Q<.addressing Krishnamurti.> what does thought coming to an end mean, please? Q: can the 'me' completely come to an end, please? ... thought born from the known (.of course knowledge is the known, which is the past.) ... Q; can that thought come to an end? {.asideRem(k): ".too much study is harmful." --- Ramakrishna Paramhansa.} ;;; ".that is, can there be freedom from the known?.> ".can thought come to an end?." + "thought itself, when it is aware of itself, knows its limitation and therefore it has its place." <.+;;;+.> ;;; all this is part of meditation;;; ".can the brain, which is millions and millions of years old, so heavily conditioned so full of all that man has collected through centuries and therefore it is acting mechanically all the time, can that brain be free of the known? and can that brain never, never get old? old in the sense physically? whether this brain can lose its burden? and be free and never deteriorate? which means never psychologically register anything;;; then it is young;;; innocence means a brain that has never been wounded;;; that is innocence;;; so the brain becomes because of this insight ... because of that insight the brain cells undergo a change;;; ... is there anything sacred in life? ... is there anything holy {.dic_ holy adj morally and spiritually excellent or perfect, and to be revered;.}, untouched by thought? <.Q: is 'thought' menial? ;or, essentially unfolding from Brahman?[ - ]deeply noble?[ - ] Q: is thought not born in silence?[ - ];;; ... please ... ;;;.> Q: what is the right response when one meets the unholy? Q: can one, then, be (.blessed enough.) to be absorbed in Brahman? ... i don't write nonsense, Sir;;; now we are asking a question::: is there anything sacred in life? ... Q: may i be in love with you, Sir? ... ;;; sacred being that which is deathless, timeless;;; ... eternity to eternity ... ;;; ... that which has known no beginning and no end ... ;;; ... we are asking this ... ;;; you can only find that out - no, you can't find it out ;;; nobody can find it out;;; it may come when you have discarded all the things that thought has made sacred;;; in that tremendous quality of silence you may find out - in that silence there may come something that is untouched by thought because that silence is not created by thought;;; so one has to question go into this whole nature of silence ... deep, uncultivated, unpremeditated silence ... we said silence can only come psychologically when there is no registration whatsoever then the mind the brain itself is utterly without movement ... then in that great depth of silence not induced not cultivated not practiced ... but in that silence there may come that extraordinary sense something immeasurable, nameless ... this whole movement from the beginning to the end of these talks is part of meditation FINISHED;;;

​... please ... ;;; ... please ... <;;;> there is a deep difference in point of view;;; Q: what is meditation? what is thought ?<

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the different perspectives of Buddhism and Hinduism can best be seen comparing "Re: metaphor of a sail-boat --- Prasad Vepa" and the first utterance of the Buddha after His "nirvana"::: (.i quote the Dhammapada edited by S.Radhakrishna, Jaravaggo OLD AGE p110,.) the words of Gautama Buddha are (.or were.), "O builder of the house, you will not build the house again. All your rafters are broken, your ridge pole is destroyed, the mind, set on the attainment of nirvana, has attained the extinction of desires.";;; there is little wonder why the life-affirmative Hindus, except for Emperor Ashoka, essentially discarded the teachings of Gautama Buddha except for sporadic {.dic_ sporadic adj isolated, as single instance of something.} cases, until Dr Baba Saheb Ambedkar ;;; and, Prasad Vepa gave me this interesting piece of information --- Ashoka did not force his views on his subject-citizens ::: admirable of him;;; however, it is time for us in modern India, to acknowledge and imbibe {.dic_ imbibe v t to take or receive into the mind.} the teachings of Gautama Buddha;;; see "Decline of Buddhism in India";;; relevant reference is >>.in the 'Tevijjavacchagotta Sutta' the Buddha himself states that he has never made a claim to being omniscient {.dic_ om.nis.cient adj having complete or infinite knowledge, awareness, or understanding.} , instead he claimed to have the "higher knowledges" {.Rem: notice the plurality --- it is characteristic of the Buddha, i feel.} (abhijñā).[77] .<< in Gautama Buddha From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia;;;

however, it is time for us in modern India, to acknowledge and imbibe {.dic_ imbibe v t to take or receive into the mind.} the teachings of Gautama Buddha following the cue {.dic_ cue n anything said or done, on or behind the stage, that is followed by a specific line or action; a hint or intimation.} from Dr Baba Shib Ambedkar;;;

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Nirvāṇa (/nɪərˈvɑːnə, -ˈvænə, nər-/;[1] Sanskrit: निर्वाण nirvāṇa  [nirʋaːɳə]; Pali: निब्बान nibbāna ; Prakrit: णिव्वाण ṇivvāṇa ) literally means "blown out", as in an oil lamp. <.Rem: "blown out" => there is nothing to cling to {.!.}!!!.>

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in, Decline of Buddhism in India, the link ...
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they asserted, in accurately, ...

Scholars such as Adi Shankara re-energized Hinduism while borrowing Buddhist ideas,[47][46][48] also published influential reviews and original texts, established monastery networks, and explained the key differences between Hinduism and Buddhism. He stated the difference to be that Hinduism asserts "Atman (Soul, Self) exists", while Buddhism asserts that there is "no Soul, no Self".[49][50][51]

;;; but, the Buddha said the following ...
[] IMPORTANT ---
In the Mahāparinirvāṇa Sūtra the Buddha also speaks of the "affirmative attributes" of nirvana, "the Eternal, Bliss, the Self and the Pure."[32] The Mahāyāna Mahāparinirvāṇa Sūtra explains:

The Self ’ signifies the Buddha; ’the Eternal’ signifies the Dharmakaya; ’Bliss’ signifies Nirvana, and ’the Pure’ signifies Dharma.[33]

Rem: see >.Re: follow-up of God vs Ego;;; Buddhism vs Advaita;;;.< in krputcha@gmail.com ;;; Sankaracharya is guilty of blatant in accuracy !!!

also, the Buddha said ::: "There is an unborn, an unoriginated, an made, an uncompounded; where there not, there would be no escape from the world of the born, the originated, the made, and the compounded." there is little doubt that what He was referring to in indeed the 'atma' ;;;

"ordinary action <.editorial comment: driven by habit.> is karma ::: the right action is dharma" remarked Prasad Vepa in his talk "Vedanta's timeless guidance for today's living";;; very apt and revealing;;; Buddhism advises {.dic_ advise v; advice n.} what it calls "Three Refuges" <.taking refuge in --- the Buddha, dhamma (.Pali for dharma.), and sangha.>;;; in Buddhism it <.dhamma.> appears to be deeper than right action --- warrants {.dic_ warrant n make necessary guarantee.} careful study and examination;;;

This talk discusses how to navigate the journey of life, using the metaphor of a sail-boat. Generally, in navigating any journey our attention is on the destination, alternative routes, et cetera and the traveler is taken for granted. As we start a journey we reach for a map or a GPS as a navigational aid. Prasad argues that we need a gyroscope to stabilise ourselves rather than a map to understand the world outside. He frames the discussion through four questions:
1. Who am I, 2. What is my purpose, 3. How do I interact, and 4. How do I act?
The first two questions relate to the individual and the last two to the world outside. He turns to the ancient wisdom of Vedanta, contained in the Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita, for answers to these questions. He shows how the journey of our life can be frustrating and flawed if the most fundamental assumptions about ourselves are fallacious and false, and how knowledge of our true Self can liberate us to lead joyous, purposeful and fulfilling lives.

Chinna-bava (.Prasad Vepa.):::

thank you for helping us through displaying "Vedanta's timeless guidance for today's living" in the web-site::: invitingindia.com ;;; thanks !!! --- krp;;;